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David's avatar

I love that the talkers keep referencing a future for fair elections. It's confirmed that the "justice department" will oversee the election essentially guaranteeing the election will in fact be rigged and everyone with any intelligence knows for whom. And come at me with the president can't constitutionally run for a third term because the constitution today only functions as an obstacle for those that are.committed to following it. We're tucked.

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Charley Ice's avatar

To your opening point about the elite, lets' complete the demolition by changing the rules for corporations; tax rent and capital gains, create a public banking and finance sector. Wealth can come from good ideas in the productive economy, not in the rentier economy nor financial casino.

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Suzette Jensen's avatar

I really like this discussion!! Knowing the costs - the production process - makes a ton of sense! An example from my experience is decision makers in the Department of Education who have NO CLASSROOM EXPERIENCE making decisions about classroom instruction and teaching! It makes so much more sense to start listening to teachers!!!!

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BigAl's avatar

You're both delusional if you think that the fascists running the country now will cede power cause "elections"!

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Karen Horwitz's avatar

You continue to ignore both parties’ biggest betrayal - the elimination of our called-to-teach teachers, leaving us with a dysfunctional education system, the institution that was to uphold democracy.

They ignored teacher whistleblowers at WhiteChalkCrime.com and EndTeacherAbuse.org who cried out for help. This is how we lost democracy.

And like the two parties who betrayed us by not looking into this, our best leaders are doing the same.

Some call it elite. I think it’s really hard to understand education when you’re an Outsider. I know you’re sincere about solving democracy’s unraveling but you’re missing the issue that could unite us. I know it’s not intentional. Time we forgave them too so we can work together and save this nation. Once people learn about it they’ll understand why it was missed.

I’m a former teacher who’s on a mission to teach you that education was what brought us down and fixing it is what will bring democracy back. Once you look into education you’ll know I’m right. You won’t understand this until you look into it. That’s why I wrote a memoir of my teaching days, A Graver Danger, for which today I just received my fourth reward. You must read it if you want to save this country.

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Deborah Kile's avatar

Corbin: Explain your "disappointment with Obama".

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David's avatar

The white house is a building and my loyalties lie not with buildings but with people and if I'm to get upset it is that Trump shamelessly took advantage of a segment of our population, played to their beliefs for his enrichment and for their and my impoversihment. Give a shit about the building of the whitehouse.

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Cindy Wheeler's avatar

The fire's been burning the house all night and the Democrats are not grabbing water hoses. What other conclusion is there to draw than that they WANT it to burn down? They do not work for the people. They work for the same oligarchs who paid for Trump's ballroom. Democrats may seem to be "weak," but they are not. They are actively and purposefully not on the side of the people or of democracy. I would even say they hate democracy just as much as the Republicans do. Sure, January 6th was anti-democratic, but so was the 2020 Democratic primary: Bernie was surging and the whole fucking Dem machine including the other primary candidates conspired (yes, it was a conspiracy by definition) to stop him lest the will of the people actually prevail. The conspirators included Dem darlings like Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren--who love to talk progressive but won't let one win, people's will be damned. The Democrats are no more in favor of democracy than anyone else governing in Washington. If a Bernie form of populism had been allowed to swell with the full democratic support of the Democratic party in 2020, we would not be talking about how one day we'll rebuild the White House. The sooner we all acknowledge the grand scale of our abandonment by our former party the better.

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sean's avatar
8hEdited

Do you two even know the definition of Fascism? You realize that it was first put into effect, that is invented by, Mussolini in the 1920s? That a primary aspect of it was the Fascist government's direct involvement and control of industry? That Mussolini was the guy who made the railroads run on time? That Hitler’s version ,in part, was direct involvement and control over heavy industry (the building of tanks by Krupp, which was heavily invested in by American luminaries such as the executives at General Motors, Coca Cola and IBM, which investments helped build NAZI Germany)?

Apparently not.

The foundational argument that you raise, TRUMP IS A RED HEADED HITLER is fundamentally flawed and you use it as a lead-in for an anti-Trump rant. That brings us to the primary problem that his opponents, both right and left, have in their attacks upon Trump(whom I never voted for). It has been defined as a state with 1 party rule( as decided by a fair election in which Trump won by a sizeable electoral margin), led by a dictator(much like when any party holds the majority in the Congress), aggressive nationalsm (according to you , MAGA),suppressioin of the opposition( lawfare as practiced by Biden unsuccessfully), militarism ( as practiced by Obama and Biden, while Trump stops wars), and a severe control over the economy(which has been weakened by years of failing to enforce anti-Trust statutes, although Biden was almost successful in his attempts to enforce the dormant Sherman ant-trust statutory scheme).

So , in the end, nothing but a conjoined in hysterics, anti-Trump rant spoken from a prone position by spokesmen from the Right AND the Left.

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JoAnne's avatar

Corbin Trent, , please respond to the article in the Atlantic, “What progressives keep getting wrong.” Thanks

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America's Undoing's avatar

I don’t subscribe to the Atlantic and it’s behind a paywall.

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David's avatar

Didn't Corbin already respond, not to the article in the Atlantic specifically but a response to exsiting party and the extremes? The progressives get us really close but leaves us at the altar. All their inspiration stops short because it would appear they're just harden variety democrats with some glitter enhancements. They're not going to do a darn thing except sustain the status quo. Remember Obama? All that hope and inspiration coolaid we all drank like pinch punch only to wake in the morning with a splitting headache?

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

F* the Democratic Party

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

That's what we all think about the demolition of the White House: it's a symbol of the demolition of our democratic and republican institutions.

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An Mcgreevy's avatar

I too am an FDR dem and I so appreciate your remarks re mba’s and lawyers.

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An Mcgreevy's avatar

Hillary and Bill

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